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Can anybody let me know of any information concerning a distant relative of mine (A J Dearlove) who played for the club with W G Grace. I am work as a teacher at a primary school in Peterborough and W G Grace is an aspect of our current topic of Cricket. It would be nice for the childen to see that a relative of their teacher knew the person they were studying, so any information would be useful. Thank you. Andy John Dearlove
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Tue Jun 12 15:05:05 2001
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Andy Dearlove
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Can anybody let me know of any information concerning a distant relative of mine (A J Dearlove) who played for the club with W G Grace. I am work as a teacher at a primary school in Peterborough and W G Grace is an aspect of our current topic of Cricket. It would be nice for the childen to see that a relative of their teacher knew the person they were studying, so any information would be useful. Thank you. Andy John Dearlove
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Tue Jun 12 15:05:04 2001
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MERVYN GILL
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Have you got a list of the grounds used by the County, during it's history? I am particularly interested in any games played in Bristol. Somerset (have you heard of them?) seem to have. Any info would be appreciated. Mervyn Gill Tiverton, Devon
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Fri Jun 1 09:04:11 2001
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Jem Stack
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Hi, I am a Warwickshire Bears fan and I was hoping to come down to the game in the NCL later this season in a couple of weeks, I have the fixtures and it says 'Gloucster' for the ground and I don't have the ffaintest where this is, can you please e-mail me with suggestions or a map! Many thanks, Jem Stack
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Tue May 29 19:13:16 2001
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Andy Mclean
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I am a Courtney Walsh fan and I hope he takes at least six wickets during the SA tour to the West Indies beginning in march 2001. Maybe Citizens For A Better Trinidad and Tobago(CBTT) which is the first foreign organisation to honour Walsh with the Trinidad and Tobago Republic Day Award can organise a special Caribbean Day in tribute to this great fast bowler after he gets to the 500 mark.
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Sat Feb 17 19:55:31 2001
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Thanks, Duncan, for keeping the site going for so long. Norma
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Tue Jan 2 18:14:41 2001
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dear colleagues,i have booked tickets for test match next year at edgbaston.could anyone recommend decent digs for 5th july_ 10th inclusive.(just my luck,the shire,s at home to warwickshire on the same date.
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Sat Dec 9 20:36:21 2000
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Oops! tryping ersors! My address is rwbr10038@blueyonder.co.uk
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Thu Dec 7 16:56:32 2000
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Richard West
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If anyone would like a copy of my Microsoft Excel spreadsheet containing details of every Glos one-day game since 1963 (se Phil's remaks below) please e-mail me at rwbr10038.blueyonder.co.uk NB its 216K and so will take a few seconds to download.
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Thu Dec 7 16:54:27 2000
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Phil Baston
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Concerning membership - I have to agree about excellent value - £75 for me and Mrs Phil for all Championship, NCL and the 3 B & H zonal games plus preference for ODI and Nat West etc tickets is astonishingly good. I too recall an article about changing prices but, like Richard (whose excellent synopsis of one day games I recommend) did not pay it much heed.
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Thu Dec 7 00:19:26 2000
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Andrew Williams
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Following on from Richard's post the Club did include an item on Membership 2001 in "No Boundaries" No. 13 in October. The new category of Business Membership is given some prominence.
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Wed Dec 6 19:29:41 2000
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Richard West
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Phil, I know the club announced several changes to membership rates & structure about a year ago. As none of them affected me I didn't take much notice, and so cannot be sure whether these covered buisiness memberships, but I rather think they did. Why not write to Colin S about it as it sounds as though you're not getting all the mailshots. Personally I find the membership excellent value.
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Wed Dec 6 15:55:32 2000
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phil brown
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i am interested in members views of the abolition of the old business patron membership.i didnt have any warning of the new scheme,until out of the blue i recieved my new membership form for 2001.i think members should be kept up to date on major changes for club membership.i think gloucstershire have no justification in this massive increase in membership.i dont suppose it is nothing to do with their phenominal success over the last two years is it. anyone else like to comment please could someone tell m
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this is a good web site.much better than the rarelyupdated official site. watch glos win the 2nd div.championship next season cheers,phil brown, COME ON THE SHIRE!
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Sat Dec 2 18:30:57 2000
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Congratulations to Ian Harvey on his player of 2000 award - he richly deserves it. With him returning next year, and the rise of Tim Hancock and Chris Taylor, the 'shire will certainly add more silverware to their cabinet.
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Fri Nov 17 12:34:18 2000
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Richard West
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I forgot to include young Taylor amongst those who've agreed terms.
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Thu Oct 26 09:27:40 2000
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Richard West
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You can now add Rob Cunlife to the GCC list. According to Yesterday's Evening Post he's now Youth Batting Coach. It's good to here that Smudge & Ben G have agreed further terms.
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Thu Oct 26 09:22:17 2000
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Roger Heaton
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Re the Wasim Akram role of bowling coach, it begs the question of how many coaches do we need? Ken Boulton, David Hand, Chas Levitt and of course Beavis' are still available.
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Mon Oct 23 23:30:33 2000
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Richard West
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Michael John Procter. born Durban 15 Sept 1946. source: David Green's History (Keith Gerrish agrees)
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Fri Oct 20 18:38:46 2000
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URGENT URGENT!!! Can anyone give me the spelling of ex-Gloucester player Proctor or is it Procter please. I'm writing a story for my mag and I'm abaout to be shot if I don't find out double quick. Thanks y'all Jackie
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Fri Oct 20 13:18:03 2000
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Nat Johnson
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George is still about although not so dapper, obviously. One of the few from Oakridge who didn't want to cheat. His bat is older than him! It carried about 3 gallons of linseed oil.
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Wed Oct 18 20:51:59 2000
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Richard West
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Alfred John Atfield b: Ightham, Kent 3.3.1868 d: 1.1.1949 Played three 1st class games for Gloucestershire in 1893 Inns: 6 Not out: 0 Runs: 74 Highest 45 Average: 12.33 1 catch, did not bowl He was the 129th person to play for the 1st XI Chris, it is therefore very probable he played in the same side as WG who was captain that season, but I cannot guarantee that WG wasn't injured or playing elsewhere - e.g. in a test or for Gentlemen v Players. If you write to the County Ground (don't e-mail
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Wed Oct 18 16:20:41 2000
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Richard West
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Chris, I've found him. Alfred John Atfield. Born: Ightham, Kent 3 Mar 1868. Died: 1 Jan 1949. He played in 3 matches in 1893 and was the 129th player to appear for the county at the first class level. Inns: 6 Not Out: 0 Runs: 74 Highest Score: 45 Average: 12.33 (1 catch) He didn't bowl. As I don't have the scorecards, I can't actually confirm he played with WG in any of these games, but it is highly probable. If you were to write to the County Ground, somebody might have the time to pro
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Wed Oct 18 14:14:45 2000
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Kev
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Nat, is George likely to make a comeback this century or will he wait until the next ?
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Tue Oct 17 04:57:22 2000
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Chris Power
Comment:
Richard West (and anyone else), My last mail a tad incorrect. I said Alfred Atwell, it should have been Alfred Atfield. I have also discovered that he was a coach in South Africa for some years although dates and places are a little sketchy. Can anyone confirm if Alfred (Alf) Atfield did play for Gloucestershire? kind regards, Chris Power
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Mon Oct 16 21:09:26 2000
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Richard West
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Chris
Sorry, my original message got truncated. I was going to make two further points:
1. If you know his county of birth & that county is a first class county, then try contacting the club in question. It is highly probable that he played for that side if he played at first class level. Wisden no longer lists 19th century players who only appeared in a few games so the fact he's not listed doesn't prove too much. If you're sure that's Gloucs, then contact Nevil Road ask whether they still have records of non-1st class matches or players.
2. From personal experience, you should not place too much reliance on the fine detail of oral family histories. "Played with WG" could very easily mean played in a team against WG; it might even mean he played at about the same time. In other words, there will be a grain of truth, but the highlights tend to get exaggerated. If, for argument's sake, he played in a Country House fixture with or against WG, this may be almost impossible to trace unless you are very lucky.
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Sat Oct 14 19:19:01 2000
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Richard West
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Nat - I'm no relation Chris - watch this space! a fuller reply is waiting to be posted in Duncan's in tray.
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Sat Oct 14 14:48:40 2000
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Nat Johnston
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Richard, are you related to George West, the great Oakridge cricketer of the 50's, 60's, 70', 80's and 90's? That Kev. went into the Butchers Arms at Oakridge once.
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Fri Oct 13 21:50:18 2000
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Richard West
Comment:
Chris, I'm sorry to tell you there is no Atwell (or similar) in either David Green's history of Gloucestershire CCC or Keith Gerrish's book of Gloucs 1st Class Records 1870-1997. This means he did not play for the Gloucs Ist XI, However WG played for all manner of other teams. Are you sure your Grandfather was a Gloucestershire man? I ask because1962 Wisden lists two Attewells who played for Notts. They were born inthe 1860s and so could well have been playing circa 1890. Wisden doesn't necesarily
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Fri Oct 13 19:29:37 2000
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Chris Power
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Does anyone have any information about my Great Uncle Alfred Atwell who played for Gloucestershire C.C.C. about 1890? Family stories say he played at the same time as the legendary W.G.Grace.
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Thu Oct 12 20:20:17 2000
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Richard West
Comment:
I've just come back from holiday to read of the possible world one-day club championship next spring. Here's hoping it goes ahead. After all even the selectors couldn't ignore success in that, or could they?
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Mon Oct 2 17:07:22 2000
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Captain Jolly
Comment:
Jon Lewis was voted Player of the Year at the Members Dinner last night, an excellent choice. Mr Bean spotted amongst the great and good.
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Sat Sep 30 20:39:06 2000
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brian ingram
Comment:
excellent site, very informative. i am visiting the county ground to attend a meeting, your site has given clear instructions on directions etc.. the official site however in this respect is quite unhelpfull. will visit the site again many thanks brina ingram
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Mon Sep 25 08:37:14 2000
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JIM MCNEILL
Comment:
News from Living Easton: Easton’s Tribute to Dr. W. G. Grace (1848 - 1915) Unveiling of a Plaque to Dr, W. G. Grace by Tony Brown, (currently Chair of Cricket at Glos. County Cricket Club and Gloucestershire's captain between 1969 - 76.) Forecourt car park, Easton Leisure Centre, Stapleton Road/Thrissell Street, Easton, Bristol. Noon, Friday 29 September. This large and colourful plaque is one of a series being erected in Easton by the members of the community group, ‘Living Easton’, to mark fourty-
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Sun Sep 24 18:56:09 2000
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Adam Mawer
Comment:
I do not agree with the selectors of england and i think Jon Lewis has work hard to get where he has this season and he deserves to be in the England squad.
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Thu Sep 21 13:31:50 2000
Name:
Greg Hall
Comment:
Why do people still not understand the Duckworth/Lewis method after all this time. The principle is simple and in matches which it is applied to the results are very close, which indicates that it is a fair system, or at least fairer than the previous system. With regard to why Gloucs had to score more runs than Sussex, this was because Sussex where compensated for the lost overs during their innings. SIMPLE!
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Thu Sep 21 09:36:16 2000
Name:
Mike
Comment:
Totally agree with JB's comments in Evening Post regarding lack of recognition for our players as far as selection on A tour this winter. Congrats to A captain Mark Alleyne again. I thought David Graveney was from Bristol. Am I mistaken? Must be.
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Tue Sep 19 21:42:12 2000
Name:
Phil
Comment:
Haven't seen any comments about lack of success in four-day cricket recently. Could it be that they just had other priorities? Cricket is played in the mind, just ask Brian Lara.
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Sat Sep 9 09:37:28 2000
Name:
Chris Sargent
Comment:
Oops!, Sorry I forgot to type in that this is the Duckworth Lewis formula for Mark & Mike
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Sat Sep 9 00:20:15 2000
Name:
Christine Sargent
Comment:
I found a web page last year and have printed out 3 copies for friends. It's at least 13 pages long!! I'll e-mail you the address 'cos it's long. If you have problems, let me know and I'll print it off and bring to next Sunday's game. We've got the champers on ice already! Well done lads.
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Sat Sep 9 00:16:34 2000
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Jim McNeill
Comment:
Hi readers, Thought you might be interested to know that a plaque to W.G. is going up on Stapleton Road as I write these words! It is being installed outside of Easton leisure Centre, Stapleton rd., Easton, Bristol, UK. This is the site of his home and surgery during his time as Easton's G.P. There will be an unveiling very soon - I post another notice with full details soon. Jim
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Fri Sep 8 16:12:08 2000
Name:
Martyn Hillier
Comment:
What more does Mike Smith have to do to win a "Man of the Match" Award? He bowls his heart out, returning tight economical figures, taking wickets but appears to be a permanent "bridesmaid, never the bride!"
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Thu Sep 7 20:13:13 2000
Name:
Mark and Mike
Comment:
Well done the 'Shire.Another fantastic season from the lads. Thanks Duncan for keeping us up to date. We do have one problem though and that is the complexity of the D-L formula.Can anyone enlighten us or tell us where we can find a reference.
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Thu Sep 7 19:36:29 2000
Name:
kev
Comment:
Agree totally Smudger deserves recognition ..but its really a team effort...just look at contributions of players who this year have`nt made it to the team every match.we have a fine squad and a great coach..lets keep the show rolling along...Warmest congrats from Sunny Singapore ...Tiger beers all round tonite..
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Thu Sep 7 01:55:53 2000
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Captain Jolly
Comment:
Top marks Duncan, if it's news we know it will be on the unofficial site.! Mike Smith is the choice in my opinion for Player of the Season. David Gower will not access this site. My congratulations to all the players, coaches, backroom staff, and most of all to the loyal supporters. Will anyone stand up at next years AGM and ctiticise the players performance - perhaps the catering? Come on the 'shire!
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Thu Sep 7 00:04:13 2000
Name:
Kev
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Such are the ways of the D/L method that part of tyhe equation is to penalise the 2nd batting team ....look up the full rules on the internet for D/L its amazing....whatever, however, what a great result its almost unbelievable we now look like winning all 3 ....lets hope our neighbours lose tonight and a full house next week at Bristol with 3 cups on show will make it a night to remember .....superb show boys well done...kev.....
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Wed Sep 6 03:37:55 2000
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Dave
Comment:
Not another Duckworth Lewis win for the Shire! What will CMJ say about our win at Sussex, especially as his son was playing! But why did we have to score 13 more runs than Sussex in the same number of overs? Are Shire playing handicap cricket because they are so much better than the rest?
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Tue Sep 5 23:47:36 2000
Name:
Richard West
Comment:
A frequent cry these days is that there is too much cricket played with the implication that, somehow, this is a major contributor to the weakness of the England test side, the poor standard of the county Championship, etc., etc. The following statistic may therefore be of interest.

According to the 2000 Year Book, Gloucestershire bowlers sent down 3,868.4 overs in all 1999 GCCC first team games (45 matches, 96 playing days excluding reserve days). Three bowlers delivered more than 500 overs : Alleyne 551.4, Lewis 592.3, Smith 628.3

According to the 1954 Year Book, the equivalent numbers for 1953 were 4,130.0 overs (31 matches, 93 scheduled days). Again, three bowlers sent down more than 500 overs: Scott 713.2, Lambert 810.5, Cook 960.4.

1999 isn't quite typical because there was no KO section to the B&H in that year and we didn't play any first class games against tourists or the universities, so no doubt the totals for this year (2000) will be higher. However, it seems to me that the inescapable conclusion is that Counties do not play more cricket than they used to. They play about the same amount, but spread over more days by virtue of slower over rates and one day games with a less than full day's (in the 1950's sense) cricket.
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Mon Sept 4 19:55:20 2000
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Andrew Morrison
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Symonds; a tree on the ground; Australia. Next question?
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Wed Aug 30 19:44:37 2000
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matthew denny
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please help me with my quiz 1. Which former Glos player turned down chance to play for England and now plays for Australia ? 2. what unusualfeature does kent have at their cricket ground ? 3. Who did mike smith play his one and only test match against ?
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Tue Aug 29 21:38:03 2000
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Richard
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Quentin, I suspect that if Taylor played for a more fashionable county then he might hope to get on some sort of tour in 2001/2 or 2002/3 as a promising player who would benfit from the experience. As it is, who knows?
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Tue Aug 29 16:43:35 2000
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Heather K. Grace
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It's lovely to read your biography of W.G., my great-great-great uncle! I live in Canada, and haven't been able to find much information about him. My grandfather told me what he could remember--I will have to direct him to this site!! Thanks for such a great history. Sincerely, Heather Katherine Grace, age 28, Montreal, Quebec. Great great great niece to W.G. Last in this line of Graces (all females born in the last generation) so I'm thinking of keeping my name if I ever get married!
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Mon Aug 28 21:07:05 2000
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Quentin Letts
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One hesitates to mention this in the era of England contracts, but is Taylor a Test prospect?
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Sat Aug 26 07:54:03 2000
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Dave Bunting
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I have a spare ticket for Saturday Tavern Stand - £45. Will sell for £30 to cut losses You can mail me at dave.bunting@trw.com
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Tue Aug 22 10:53:25 2000
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Corey Cropper
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The first group outside of Jamaica to honour Courtney Walsh was Citizens For A Better Trinidad and Tobago (CBTT) with the 1999 REPUBLIC DAY AWARD for outstanding contribution to West Indies cricket and for being an exemplar to young people the world over. President of the group, Harrack Balramsingh paid great tribute to Courtney and was one of the first persons to predict that Walsh would achieve the target of 500 Test wickets.
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Sun Aug 20 21:51:10 2000
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Harold Bacchus
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Check the Courtney Walsh Page at http://members.tripod.com/cbtt
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Sun Aug 20 21:43:23 2000
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steve
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Hi folks, im from wales, born and bred, ive lived in florida for 15 years, i was recently called a welsh git , by a scottish asshole from glasgow, what exactly is a welsh git, ide like to know before i give him the glasgow kiss [head butt] dont pull any punches please. thanks, Steve , the welsh git.looking forward to your frank replies.
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Sun Aug 20 02:40:19 2000
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Kevin
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Kees - ring (44)117 910 8010 and check. Assuming you are not a Glos member you will have to wait until Sat am - but you will need to ring early so ring today and find out when they will be open
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Thu Aug 17 16:59:43 2000
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Kees van den Assem
Comment:
I'm interested in three appr. 30 Pounds tickets for the Lords final. How do I get them? I'm from Holland and support Gloucester
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Thu Aug 17 15:20:53 2000
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atkers
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this is a reply to the excellent posting from richard west, who seems genuinely astounded by the success of the gloucs team in one day cricket and its lack of success in the four day format. the first point is an obvious one. courtenay walsh was (and is) one of the greats and gloucs were able to hide behind the great man. the young, up and coming bowlers (and some of the batsmen) may be did not take on the responsibilty they needed to because at the end of the day the team could rely on courtenay to tak
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Wed Aug 16 12:14:25 2000
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Mose Allison
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Bring on the brummies, (and their chopsy wicky!) Nice birthday present, for Englands number one, today.
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Tue Aug 15 00:27:53 2000
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Jeremy Gahagan
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Why don't we just move to Lords!! Superb result lads,bring on Warwickshire..
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Mon Aug 14 18:59:02 2000
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Peter Welch
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Re Richard West's message, I knew Mike smith when he was nineteen, in his first year of university , and he had been rejected by Yorkshire then. I doubt that he had finished growing. He was already on Gloucestershire's books. Your dead right that he hardly ever bowls a bad spell, and that's is why he should have played far more often for England. Darren gough has some good spells, but often looks, as in this test match, bereft of ideas. I don't think the batting in one day games is down to journeyman stuf
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Mon Aug 7 19:10:01 2000
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Dave
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Richard, to deal with the one-day issue, I beleive that the club have targetted one-day succes at the expense of the four-day game, and having found a winning formula, intend to stick with it. The one day side has a perfect blend for limited overs cricket, and the three main recruits from last summer, Harvey, Barnett and Snape have proved crucial signings. I think that the prestige and financial rewards for one-day success are now so important to the club that a poor showing in the Championship is a price
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Sat Aug 5 10:08:22 2000
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Bamber Gasgoine
Comment:
David, the Pope is a Catholic. Tiger Woods is one of the best golfers ever. Can fish swim? Do Australians drink beer? Do bears sh-t in the woods? Will we win the Nat West?
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Fri Aug 4 00:35:24 2000
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David
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Darren Lehmann is one of the best batsmen in the world.
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Thu Aug 3 21:03:52 2000
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Richard West
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We currently have a side that is enjoying unprecedented success in the one day game, yet is consistently overlooked by the selectors in favour of more "talented" players when selecting one day squads. Were we as good at the championship but pathetic in the one day game, there can surely be little doubt that the England test side would regularly include several Gloucestershire names. To do otherwise would be like suggesting the 1950's England team be picked with no Surrey players.

Why is this? Does the establishment have a "down" on Gloucs? Are our players really less talented? If our players are not talented, how come they do so well at the one day game, but if they are talented then why are we bumping along the bottom of the championship? I really would appreciate serious opinions from other readers of this site.

For what it's worth, and with the exception of at least Jack (now retired from international cricket) I begin to suspect that part of the answer is that we have a number of journeymen who play the basics really well. At the one day level this is sufficient to defeat perhaps more talented players who rely on their skill to disguise a disregard of the basics, but without the addition of one or two consistently heavily scoring batsmen and at least one real quickie or wicket taking spinner we will always be found wanting at the first class level.

I began to wonder about this in the B&H game against Surrey last year. It seemed to me that several Surrey batsmen came to the crease convinced they could hit our bowlers out of the ground, and in the attempt to do this missed any number of opportunities for singles turning them into "dot" balls. I remember seeing Proctor do something similar against Underwood in the 1977 B&H final - his partner (?Foat) pushed a single whenever he had the strike and I think scored the faster against "Deadly" in terms of runs per 100 balls received.

Take Mike Smith. It is said that Yorkshire rejected him because he was too small to be a successful fast bowler, yet when did you last see him bowl a bad spell? In contrast, how often do you see an England fast bowler who is built for the job spray the ball all over the place or consistently bowl the wrong length? I don't say they all do it all the time, but it certainly isn't an unusual sight.

Having turned 50, am I developing a "things were better when I was young" syndrome or is there something in what I say. Do we just lack a Graveney (Tom!), a Milton, an Allen or Childs, or what?
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Tue Aug 1 22:44:31 2000
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Andrew Williams
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We certainly need a left-hand bat for next season. As far as I know the only two we have are Jack and Reggie Williams, which is why the latter has played purely as a batsman in two NL games.
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Mon Jul 31 23:31:57 2000
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Richard West
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Certainly the batting needs strengthening, but to succeed in the first class game I rather fancy we are a bowler or two light. I don't want to belittle our squad, but a fast (not f-m) and/or a top class spinner who can beat batsmen through the air on unresponsive wickets would help no end.
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Mon Jul 31 18:14:37 2000
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Roger Heaton
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We really do have to get opening batsmen (plural) for Championship Cricket. What do others think?
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Sun Jul 30 23:30:25 2000
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Steven East
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I think that Mark Alleyne should be in the England one day squad instead of Mark Ealham
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Wed Jul 19 14:31:06 2000
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Phil Baston
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Ahhh, but what an atmosphere....as Russ Abbott would have said (sorry)....for me at Cheltenham on a lovely day with a near full house it ranked almost up there with the 3 finals....nice atmosphere in the Pav. too - I though there mat be a few adverse comments from WCCC people but everyone was very friendly...handshakes and "all the bests" at the end - how nice!
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Tue Jul 18 21:44:31 2000
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Mon Jul 17 20:40:00 2000
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Richard West
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Are we trying to create a record for escape acts, or is it just considered good manners to give the opposition a sporting chance? I hate to think how many suporters are being lost to heart attacks.
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Mon Jul 17 14:54:49 2000
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Phil Baston
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Hello Ray. Cheltenham is lovely. If your lady friend gets bored with the cricket there's an arts and a fringe festival (live bands etc in Montpellier near the ground)and it's good for shopping or so my wife tells me! Good pubs and restaurants too. Hope you enjoy yourselves and please knock us out of the Nat West - it'll be a weight of my (and many others I suspect) mind. Regards PS - I don't work for the Chelt. Tourist Board, I just love the place..... P
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Sat Jul 8 11:46:45 2000
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Ray
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I'm a Northants fan who lives in Lancashire (not many of us about!)and I'm coming down to Cheltenham next week for the championship game and bringing my girlfriend who has never been to a cricket game before. I just hope for good weather and the match to last 4 days, which is unlikely given our batting! I also hope there are some good shops in Cheltenham for when Sharon gets bored, which will probably be about 11.30 on Wednesday! Greetings to all you Gloster fans, and I'm sorry we're going to have to knock
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Fri Jul 7 20:37:27 2000
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David Wadley
Comment:
Worse County Cricket Club.
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Wed Jul 5 19:49:47 2000
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Steve Tombs
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Having listened to glos splendid win over worcs on bbc hereford and worcs, i tried to get some live coverage of the game against leics. Imagine my frustration when neither bbc gloucestershire or the commercial stations carried any. I was forced to resort to cricinfo's live text scorecard to get the finish. Probably just as well with what transpired. Surely this is part of the reason cricket is now a minority sport in this country, if even local radio doesnt carry coverage. Anyway Lords here we come, keep up
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Wed Jul 5 19:21:37 2000
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Neil
Comment:
Even more reason to laugh! Great 10 run victory over Leicestershire.... We are invincible!
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Wed Jul 5 18:22:09 2000
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Neil
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Great win lads. I've never laughed so much!
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Wed Jul 5 07:12:27 2000
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Kev
Comment:
Who the 10 year old boys or WCCC ?
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Wed Jul 5 06:51:45 2000
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David Wadley
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Serves the cheating buggers right!
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Tue Jul 4 19:10:35 2000
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Phil Baston
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Good to see a steward being usefully employed by driving 2 very well behaved small boys about ten years old clutching their 4 and 6 cards off Dave Bridle's green roller-cover thingy at N Road today - that's the way to get kids into cricket...
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Sun Jun 25 01:04:36 2000
Name:
Kevin
Comment:
Sorry I could`nt make it today Capt Jolly but the forecast was poor..target is promotion now....
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Thu Jun 22 02:56:03 2000
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Phil Baston
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Funny you should say that Cap'n...I've just left a similar message on the official site. It had to happen sooner or later - hard luck boys - but before we start to carp just cast our minds back to the start of the '99 season and what we would have said to anyone who told us we'd win the next 3 Lord's finals.....it's been great and now we know how to win we'll be back...come on the 'Shire...see you on Saturday at Nev. Rd. - now's the time to get behind the boys...Fortress Bristol and all that..
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Wed Jun 21 22:37:05 2000
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Captain Jolly
Comment:
In football parlance we can now concentrate on the league/s. We, obviously, missed Kevin Wynn today!
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Wed Jun 21 20:42:33 2000
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Richard West
Comment:
I can add a little bit to Phil's reply. 4 Sussex batsmen (Wilson, Relf twice & Vine) made 100s, but only one othe player in either side got past 30. Jessop scored 0 & was absent ill the second time around. Glos made 66 & 80, while Sussex managed 309 & 307-5d. I believe the game was over in two days (21 & 22 August), but don't have a full scorecard. Sources: Gerrish & Britton's book on Jessop.
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Wed Jun 21 19:20:04 2000
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Phil Baston
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Can't find anything on Cricinfo, which features a number of 1913 games but not that particular one -Keith Gerrish's excellent GCCC First Class records book records we lost by 470 runs at Hove in 1913 and curiously by 364 runs at Hastings a year later and by 374 runs at Hove in 1929 - there were 2 big innings defeats at Hove in 1921 and 1923 too. Not a happy hunting ground!
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Tue Jun 20 23:34:01 2000
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P.R.Golding
Comment:
Does anyone know details of the Sussex vs Gloucestershire match at Hove in 1913, the heaviest defeat suffered by Gloucestershire in the County Championship?
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Tue Jun 20 18:27:44 2000
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Richard West
Comment:
Phil, Andrew, thanks for the comments. I've an old (results to end of 1985) Wisden Book of Records which goes down to 512 runs without any county defeats, though England feature as does Cambridge Univerity's 522 run loss to Leicester in 1984.
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Tue Jun 20 16:24:28 2000
Name:
Andrew Williams
Comment:
The 1948 Australians beat Gloucestershire by an innings and 363 runs
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Tue Jun 20 10:02:00 2000
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Phil Baston
Comment:
Not sure Richard - Wisden's largest victories by runs record goes down as far as 556 without mentioning a county - how many did the Aussies beat the shire by in '48?(not suggesting that you can remember that, of course!) Phil
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Mon Jun 19 22:58:52 2000
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Andrew Williams
Comment:
As far as I can see the largest victory by runs margin in this country is when Australia beat England by 562 runs at the Oval in 1934. "Wisden" does not list below the 550 runs margin
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Mon Jun 19 22:58:50 2000
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Richard West
Comment:
Is it the largest every defeat by a First Class County?
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Mon Jun 19 16:23:21 2000
Name:
Kev
Comment:
It`s official....Glamorgan are Welsh champions for the 127th year running..well done lads...
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Mon Jun 19 03:39:36 2000
Name:
Phil Baston
Comment:
Did anyone else "on line" also go to Nevil Rd on Thursday night? I went along after work to show my appreciation and got my first GCCC autographs since Chelt festival circa 1977 - I felt such a kid it was great! I was impressed by everyone's friendliness - I'd never spoken to any of the players or J Bracewell before - pity more supporters not there - if you're on line my thanks to the gentleman who took my photo with the 3 trophies!
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Philip.Baston@ukgateway.net
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Sun Jun 18 19:03:25 2000
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