US Sherman 17 Pounder conversions lists. Version 2
Updated 29th Jan 02.
This is an analysis of the information provided by Mr Zaloga. The source is a series of messages supporting Teleprint messages sent earlier from Colonel Ordnance Department, Ordnance Officer, T. F. Donahue in the UK to Chief Ordnance Officer HQ ETOUSA Major I. D. Brent, though they are also Attention of Colonel R.N. Atwell. The dates range from 30th March 1945 to 12th May 1945.
Much of the information is hard to read and is in two forms. Firstly a list by conversion or build number, with the tank number, which seems to match standard US registration numbers, then with details of the serials of the 17 Pdr parts (not included here). On one example the same serial number appears twice. Secondly as each batch was shipped a separate paragraph to each letter lists those tanks shipped, with just the date, serial number and the transporting LST or LCT. In some cases the type of Sherman is noted, but not in the list form. Some of the serial numbers do not match those in the first list form.
Note that in only one case is the type of Sherman referred to with a radial engine (indicating either an M4 or an M4 Hybrid, discounting M4A4 and M4A1 and M4A2). The other tanks are referred to either without reference to the type, or as "M4A3", "M4A3 Modified", or "Modified M4A3". What exactly this means is unclear. Are these all the same type of M4A3 or does it delineate between M4A3 dry stowage and M4A3 wet stowage tanks, or those with HVS? I don't know and the documents I have to hand do not make it clear. Mr Zaloga is working on the issue and more information will come to light later this year I hope.
This first list is ordered by what I presume is the production order, which as you can see does not entirely match the order in which the tanks were shipped to France from Southampton. One should also add M4 Hybrid 30100371 that is visible in the photo, that may have been taken at Hayes. But this tank does not seem to have been sent and was it seems one of those to be given to the British, if the information in these documents is accurate.
|
Build Number |
Tank Registration Number |
Type |
Shipped date |
Notes |
|
1 |
3054133 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
2 |
3081417 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
3 |
3025056 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
4 |
3039996 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
5 |
3015329 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3015328 - both numbers appear in different documents |
|
6 |
3018783 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, could be 3016787 |
|
7 |
3039163 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
8 |
3039076 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
9 |
3039117 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
10 |
3088760 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
11 |
3039067 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
12 |
3065698 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
13 |
30100544 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
14 |
3037028 |
? |
April 5, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
15 |
3054362 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
16 |
3054430 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3054450 |
|
17 |
30115686 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, might be 30115666 |
|
18 |
30115562 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
19 |
30115343 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
20 |
30115692 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
21 |
30115559 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
22 |
3032695 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, number hard to read, might be 3082695 |
|
23 |
30115639 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
Might be 30119639 |
|
24 |
30115284 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
|
|
25 |
3081807 |
M4A3 |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
26 |
3081865 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
27 |
30115263 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
28 |
3081811 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
29 |
3081404 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
30 |
3081792 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
31 |
3082901 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
32 |
3054763 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
33 |
3054903 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
34 |
3054439 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
35 |
30115060 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
36 |
30115590 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
37 |
3081826 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
38 |
3054931 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
39 |
3054330 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
40 |
3054245 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
41 |
3054285 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
42 |
3082864 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
43 |
3082706 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
44 |
31115743 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
45 |
30115634 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
46 |
3010059 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
47 |
3039915 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
48 |
3039142 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
49 |
3015237 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
50 |
30115555 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
51 |
30115699 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
52 |
30115346 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
53 |
30115695 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
54 |
30115750 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
55 |
30115763 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
56 |
30115764 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
57 |
3081353 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
58 |
30115579 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
59 |
30115767 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
60 |
3082655 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
61 |
3039937 |
M4 or M4H |
Not shipped |
Later replaced by M4A3 3054303 |
|
62 |
3039073 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
63 |
30115751 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
64 |
3082651 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
65 |
30125165 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
|
66 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
|
67 |
3081486 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
68 |
30115745 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
69 |
30115581 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
70 |
30125207 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
|
|
71 |
30115880 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
|
|
72 |
30125235 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
|
|
73 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
|
74 |
30125175 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
|
|
75 |
30125051 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
|
76 |
30115616 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
77 |
3054800 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
78 |
3055838 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
79 |
30115762 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
|
|
80 |
30115757 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
|
|
81 |
3054303 |
Prob. M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
Replaced tank No 61 3039937 |
The next version of the list is sorted by the tank registration number:
|
Build Number |
Tank Registration Number |
Type |
Shipped date |
Notes |
|
46 |
3010059 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
49 |
3015237 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
5 |
3015329 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3015328 - both numbers appear in different documents |
|
6 |
3018783 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, could be 3016787 |
|
3 |
3025056 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
22 |
3032695 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, number hard to read, might be 3082695 |
|
14 |
3037028 |
? |
April 5, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
11 |
3039067 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
62 |
3039073 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
8 |
3039076 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
9 |
3039117 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
48 |
3039142 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
7 |
3039163 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
47 |
3039915 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
61 |
3039937 |
M4 or M4H |
Not shipped |
Later replaced by M4A3 3054303 |
|
4 |
3039996 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
1 |
3054133 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
40 |
3054245 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
41 |
3054285 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
81 |
3054303 |
Prob. M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
Replaced tank No 61 3039937 |
|
39 |
3054330 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
15 |
3054362 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
16 |
3054430 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3054450 |
|
34 |
3054439 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
32 |
3054763 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
77 |
3054800 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
33 |
3054903 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
38 |
3054931 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
78 |
3055838 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
12 |
3065698 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
57 |
3081353 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
29 |
3081404 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
2 |
3081417 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
67 |
3081486 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
30 |
3081792 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
25 |
3081807 |
M4A3 |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
28 |
3081811 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
37 |
3081826 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
26 |
3081865 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
64 |
3082651 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
60 |
3082655 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
43 |
3082706 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
42 |
3082864 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
31 |
3082901 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
10 |
3088760 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
13 |
30100544 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
35 |
30115060 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
27 |
30115263 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
24 |
30115284 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
|
|
19 |
30115343 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
52 |
30115346 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
50 |
30115555 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
21 |
30115559 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
18 |
30115562 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
58 |
30115579 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
69 |
30115581 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
36 |
30115590 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
76 |
30115616 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
45 |
30115634 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
23 |
30115639 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
Might be 30119639 |
|
17 |
30115686 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, might be 30115666 |
|
20 |
30115692 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
53 |
30115695 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
51 |
30115699 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
68 |
30115745 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
54 |
30115750 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
63 |
30115751 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
80 |
30115757 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
|
|
79 |
30115762 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
|
|
55 |
30115763 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
56 |
30115764 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
59 |
30115767 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
71 |
30115880 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
|
|
75 |
30125051 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
|
65 |
30125165 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
|
74 |
30125175 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
|
|
70 |
30125207 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
|
|
72 |
30125235 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
|
|
44 |
31115743 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
66 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
|
73 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
The next version is sorted by delivery date:
|
Build Number |
Tank Registration Number |
Type |
Shipped date |
Notes |
|
3 |
3025056 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
1 |
3054133 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
2 |
3081417 |
? |
March 26, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
5 |
3015329 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3015328 - both numbers appear in different documents |
|
8 |
3039076 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
9 |
3039117 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
7 |
3039163 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
10 |
3088760 |
? |
March 31, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
6 |
3018783 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, could be 3016787 |
|
11 |
3039067 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
4 |
3039996 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
12 |
3065698 |
? |
April 1, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
15 |
3054362 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
13 |
30100544 |
? |
April 4, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
14 |
3037028 |
? |
April 5, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
16 |
3054430 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H Might be 3054450 |
|
18 |
30115562 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
17 |
30115686 |
? |
April 7, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, might be 30115666 |
|
22 |
3032695 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H, number hard to read, might be 3082695 |
|
19 |
30115343 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
21 |
30115559 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
20 |
30115692 |
? |
April 8, 1945 |
PROB. M4/M4H |
|
24 |
30115284 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
|
|
23 |
30115639 |
M4A3 |
April 9, 1945 |
Might be 30119639 |
|
29 |
3081404 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
30 |
3081792 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
25 |
3081807 |
M4A3 |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
28 |
3081811 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
26 |
3081865 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
27 |
30115263 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 11, 1945 |
|
|
34 |
3054439 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
33 |
3054903 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
38 |
3054931 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
37 |
3081826 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
36 |
30115590 |
M4A3 |
April 14, 1945 |
|
|
39 |
3054330 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
32 |
3054763 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
31 |
3082901 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
35 |
30115060 |
M4A3 |
April 16, 1945 |
|
|
42 |
3082864 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
59 |
30115767 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 18, 1945 |
|
|
41 |
3054285 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
45 |
30115634 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
44 |
31115743 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 19, 1945 |
|
|
46 |
3010059 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
49 |
3015237 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
48 |
3039142 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
40 |
3054245 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
57 |
3081353 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
60 |
3082655 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
43 |
3082706 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
52 |
30115346 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
50 |
30115555 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
58 |
30115579 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
53 |
30115695 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
51 |
30115699 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 21, 1945 |
|
|
62 |
3039073 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
64 |
3082651 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
54 |
30115750 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
63 |
30115751 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
55 |
30115763 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
56 |
30115764 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 24, 1945 |
|
|
47 |
3039915 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
|
67 |
3081486 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
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69 |
30115581 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
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68 |
30115745 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 26, 1945 |
|
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75 |
30125051 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
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65 |
30125165 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 29, 1945 |
|
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71 |
30115880 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
|
|
72 |
30125235 |
M4A3 Modified |
April 30, 1945 |
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|
74 |
30125175 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
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70 |
30125207 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
|
|
66 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
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73 |
30125295 or 30125062 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 2, 1945 |
Same Tank number as Tank 73, from two different letters. Either could be 30125062 |
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77 |
3054800 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
78 |
3055838 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
76 |
30115616 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 4, 1945 |
|
|
81 |
3054303 |
Prob. M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
Replaced tank No 61 3039937 |
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80 |
30115757 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
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|
79 |
30115762 |
M4A3 Modified |
May 10, 1945 |
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61 |
3039937 |
M4 or M4H |
Not shipped |
Later replaced by M4A3 3054303 |
The tables will of course be revised as and when new information comes to light. Also please note that in some cases the numbers are best guesses as the originals are in some cases almost impossible to read and there may always be typo's within the original lists, any new ones are of course mine!
Copyright. Mark Hayward
29th January 2002